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Thursday, April 1, 2010

Powers or illusions?!

This post is not intended to explain the theories or "facts" written about the subconscious mind and its powers, cuz I know that most of you already read books or seen videos about it , like "The Secret" and so on...

In fact, I myself need explainations of things I read in the book named "The power of your subconscious mind" that I can't relate to my belief,  although I'm strongly convinced of most of the points mentioned in that book , cuz I have experienced that myself.

Anyhow , the book (by Dr. Joseph Murphy) says:
"Whatever thoughts, beliefs , opinions,theories, or dogmas you write, engrave, or impress on your subconscious mind , you'll experience then as the objective manifestation of circumstances,conditions, and events. What you write on the inside, you will experience on the outside. You have two sides to your life, objective and subjective, visible and invisible, thought and its manifestation.

Your thought is recieved as a pattern of neural firings in your cerebral cortex, which is the organ of your conscious reasoning mind. Once your conscious or objective mind accepts the thought completely, it is transmitted to the older parts of the brain, where it becomes flesh and is made manifest in your experience"(p.37).

That's what he wrote ... of course he mentions stories that "really happened" that confirms this idea.
I myself can't say it's wrong for I have proofs from my own religion that also confirms this idea.

For example , when the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) visited a sick old man he said "No worries,this will all take off from whatever you've done wrong in your life" (he means that when we get sick it's considered a form of cleansing one's soul) , anyhow , this old man replied back saying "No , this sickness I have is gonna take me to my grave" , so the prophet replied back : "Then it's what you said shall happen!" .... few days later the man died!

The prophet also said "When you ask Allah(God)  for something ask him with certainty that he will answer your prayer ".

Consider this in the context of what Dr. Joseph said.

I know that the creator of our subconscious mind is God himself, therefore even if our subconscious is what brings our thoughts into reality it will be still by the tool that God gave us.

My Question to you, Is there any contradictions between what we (believers) believe and what Dr. Joseph wrote? or did I already answer my question when I said what I said above?

21 comments:

N.Magdy said...

Thank you Ahmed... you amaze us yet again with an extremely important idea and excellent analysis. However, if I understand what is written correctly, I do not agree with Dr. Joseph...

One cannot control whatever thoughts etc. take place in the subconcious mind - it is all a random manifestation of a person's residue and combination of desires, inner thoughts and what he sees and comes across during his day. In my opinion this means that the subconcious is not subjective ie you cannot control what you think inside it to deliberately manifest that physically. If on the other hand something does get manifested that resembles what occured in the subconcious, then this resemblance is coincidence since it is my belief that all physical events happen with the knowledge, permission and pre-arrangement of God not arbitrarily and randomly like in the subconcious mind - God would never allow a random thought appearing subconciously (which might be destructive or inappropriate) to take place in reality (unless it is a vision of some kind sent by God to that person - for those of us who believe in this issue..)

Please correct me if I misunderstood the point you are trying to make.

TheSphere said...

Hey Doc,

It's a mind-boggling idea...!

I have some personal experiences that might clarify what Dr.Joseph is trying to say.

10 years ago I used a drug called Rohypnol.

Rohypnol's medical use is as a pre-operation anaesthetic or strong sleeping pill, but stronger doses can bring on amnesia. It takes effect very quickly - sometimes as quick as 10 minutes after being taken - and reaches its peak eight hours later when it can render a person totally unconscious. It's about ten times stronger than Valium.

Anyhow, Once this drug takes over my mind - as mentioned above - it used to make me totally unconscious. The strange part is that everything I wanted would happen when I took that drug , I can tell you stories that you won't even believe.

My interpretation of this phenomenon is that my concsious mind was put to sleep giving the way to the subconcsious mind to act!

I do believe that the subconcsious mind can make miracles thats why when I used to ask God for something and in my heart I knew 100% that he will do it for me, it happens....and I do believe 100% that nothing happens unless it's God's will and after his permission, but I'm talking in terms of cause-action , or the law or action and reaction.

Maybe this is God's tool to answer our prayers,or bring on our thoughts to reality when we do believe in them truly!

TheSphere said...

oh and also, we both know that buddhism is a fake religion/belief. but why do buddhists get their prayers answered too?

N.Magdy said...

Thank you for sharing such an intimate experience with us. If I may add, the Lord says: "And WHATEVER you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have FAITH" (Matthew 21:22).

This totally agrees with what you said that if a person asks something of God with true belief and faith in him (as long as God perceives it's for the good of that person) then he will definitely answer. This explains why buddhists are also answered, as the verse above says EVERYONE who prays with faith shall be answered with no specification of a particular group of people.

The only thing I disagree about is that it is my belief that prayer emerges from the conscious not the subconscious. For if God refuses that a person lose his consciousness due to alcohol, drugs etc. then it is not possible to have a spiritual prayer relationship with God in this uncontrollable state of unconciousness.

If you experienced this relationship during unconsciousness then maybe you were conscious at some level to remember this beautiful prayer with God.

Thank you again for this enlightning post...

Grettel- said...
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Grettel- said...

I think Dr. Noha has a point here. Your prayers are a translation of your subconscious. But they still come from the conscious.

But I have been thinking. I've read the Bible some time ago. And I tell the children where I volunteer sometimes stories from the Bible if they ask me to. Although they are Muslim children (at a Catholic school). ;)
Isn't it so that God uses our dreams to communicate sometimes with us? We see lot's of examples in Christianity and also in Islam as I know.
Dreams, are they our subconscious trying to grasp reality?

I am not really out of this one. You prayers are a conscious thing. You do from a strong will to achieve something. To talk to God.

But I do think the subconscious have more meaning than we are thinking here.

Maybe I am wrong. Who knows. Can anyone help me out of this one?

TheSphere said...

Dr. Noha, the verse you mentioned says "if you have FAITH" .

I think that faith here refers to the RIGHT faith not just any faith.

The following verses from the bible makes this point clear:

1- "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination." Proverbs (28:9, KJV.)

2- "For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, And his ears unto their supplication: But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil." (Peter 3:12, KJV)

3-"We know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and do his will, him he heareth." (John 9:31)

4-

"23-Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

24-Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25-But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26-I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27-When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28-Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29-For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD"
(proverbs 1:23 - 29)

btw , this goes exactly with what I believe in Islam, or what actually is written in the Quran.

Anonymous said...

Ahmad, let me first say that I admire the way you subconsciously set the “fact test” bar for your readings i.e. against The Quran.
Secondly and to understand the very sensitive/serious point you raised (i.e. Allah answer prayers during absence of conscious mind at a 100% ratio), we need to define what is a subconscious? The simplest definition I researched is that: “Think of the subconscious mind as the storage room of everything that is currently not in your conscious mind; it stores all your previous life experiences, your belief system, your memories, you skills, all situations you've been through, and all images you've ever seen. The best way to understand the subconscious mind is through the example of someone who's just started to learn how to drive. At the beginning, he wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with anyone while driving as he would be focusing on the different moves involved; that's because he's still using his conscious mind to drive”. In other words, it’s your ARCHIVNG system.
And since I hate long comments, I’ll continue later.

TheSphere said...

@Grettel

About dreams, yes your subconcsious mind manifests thoughts,desires,wishes that you are not able to achieve in real life in the form of dreams.That's why when you want something very much you see it happening in your dreams.It can even take you to places you've never been to or see people you never met.

What I'm trying to say is that it has the power to visualize your desires in the form of dreams.

How about reality? Can it do the same in reality?

I think that it's a tool that God embedded in our system. We can feed it with either positive or negative thoughts,beliefs, or anything you can imagine .... whatever you pass to your subconcsious mind will be taken as is. Your sub-mind doesn't argue it just accepts inputs and stores them then takes action.

This issue needs very deep thinking and analysis of many events that happnes or happened in our or other's lives..I don't have time for that , that's why this post was suppoesed to be a question to anyone who have answers to this dilemma. ;)

TheSphere said...

@Dad

Yes this is one of the functions of our sub-mind.

Anonymous said...

Ahmad, can you list other functions, in short please. These functions are very important to answer that serious claim you raised.
Thanks Medo

Grettel- said...

@ Ahmad.

What do you want to prove with all these quotes from the Bible? Our wrong or your right? Watch out with pride my dear friend. :)

Whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith. Well yes. I know you have to be good person with good wishes so God will hear them. :) Please come on. Have some faith in me (or us) we 're not all stupid.

deppy said...

For me I've been having these visions whole my life and a lot lately. Like when I think of something whatever silly it is (like a friend I havent seen in years, I might see her the next day)it just happens, I'm not sure, it maybe a sixth sense or something, but what am sure of, is that it does happen only with allah's wish (inshalah).
However I never used it the other way around, I always realize it afterward.

But I always take the Qudsi hadith "I am as My slave thinks of me" as my life motto :)

so yes if you think about it, it does work sometimes :)

TheSphere said...

@Grettel-Deppy

Thanks!

I have no more to say about this subject right now! ;)

Grettel- said...

We made you speechless? ;)

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